Silent Hosts in EVPN Fabrics

The Dynamic MAC Learning versus EVPN blog post triggered tons of interesting responses describing edge cases and vendor bugs implementation details, including an age-old case of silent hosts described by Nitzan:

Few years ago in EVPN network, I saw drops on the multicast queue (ingress replication goes to that queue). After analyzing it we found that the root cause is vMotion (the hosts in that VLAN are silent) which starts at a very high rate before the source leaf learns the destination MAC.

It turns out that the behavior they experienced was caused by a particularly slow EVPN implementation, so it’s not exactly the case of silent hosts, but let’s dig deeper into what could happen when you do have silent hosts attached to an EVPN fabric.

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Small Site EBGP-Only Design

One of my subscribers found an unusual BGP specimen in the wild:

  • It was a small site with two core switches and a WAN edge router
  • The site had VPN concentrators running in virtual machines
  • The WAN edge router was running BGP across WAN IPsec tunnels
  • The VPN concentrators were running BGP with core switches.

So far so good, and kudos to whoever realized BGP is the only sane protocol to run between virtual machines and network core. However, the routing in the network core was implemented with EBGP sessions between the three core devices, and my subscriber thought the correct way to do it would be to use IBGP and OSPF.

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Interesting: BGP Zombie Outbreak on Juniper Routers

BGP zombies are routes in the BGP table that refuse to disappear even though they should have been long gone. Recent measurements estimate between 0.5% and 1.5% of all routes in the global BGP table are zombies, which sounds crazy – after all, BGP is supposed to be pretty reliable.

Daryll Swer identified one potential source – Juniper routers do not revoke suppressed aggregated prefixes – and documented it in Navigating a BGP zombie outbreak on Juniper routers.

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Advantages and Drawbacks of EVPN-based Multihoming

Lukas Krattiger wrapped up his EVPN-versus-MLAG presentation (part of EVPN Deep Dive webinar) with an overview of the advantages and drawbacks of EVPN-based multihoming solutions:

  • N-way multihoming
  • Flexible connectivity (no need for a peer link)
  • Fabric-wide scope (MAC multipathing required on ingress node)
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Why Is OSPF (and BGP) More Complex than STP?

I got this question from one of my readers:

Why are OSPF and BGP are more complex than STP from a designer or administrator point of view? I tried everything to come to a conclusion but I couldn’t find a concluded answer, ChatGPT gave a circular loop answer.

There are numerous reasons why a protocol, a technology or a solution might be more complex than another seemingly similar one (or as Russ White would have said, “if you haven’t found the tradeoffs, you haven’t looked hard enough”):

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Is Dynamic MAC Learning Better Than EVPN?

One of my readers worried about the control-plane-induced MAC learning lag in EVPN-based networks:

In all discussions about the advantages/disadvantages of VXLAN/EVPN, I can’t find any regarding the lag in learning new macs when you use the control plane for mac learning.

EVPN is definitely slower than data plane-based dynamic MAC learning (regardless of whether it’s done in hardware or software), but so is MLAG.

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IPv6 Security in Layer-2 Firewalls

You can configure many firewalls to act as a router (layer-3 firewall) or as a switch bridge (layer-2 firewall). The oft-ignored detail: how does a layer-2 firewall handle ARP (or any layer-2 protocol)?

Unless you want to use static ARP tables it’s pretty obvious that a layer-2 firewall MUST propagate ARP. It would be ideal if the firewall would also enforce layer-2 security (ARP/DHCP inspection and IPv6 RA guard), but it looks like at least PAN-OS version 11.0 disagrees with that sentiment.

Straight from Layer 2 and Layer 3 Packets over a Virtual Wire:

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Use Existing (DMVPN) Device Configurations in netlab

Anne Baretta decided to use netlab to test a proposed DMVPN topology. As netlab doesn’t support DMVPN (and probably never will), he decided to use netlab capabilities to start the lab topology and perform initial configuration, adding DMVPN configuration commands as custom configurations. Here’s how he described the process:


In this case I used netlab as a quick way to get a topology up and running, and then add the DMVPN configuration by hand.

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